Google is hurting us

Google has real power. If you’re being indexed by it – with quality content – it can send users your way that didn’t know you existed before they searched. But if you’re not indexed by Google – you don’t exist. At least to a large portion of the web.

Philly Future isn’t indexed by Google. The new (a year old!) version of the site isn’t that is.

Despite the best efforts of some (thanks Shelley) – Philly Future is still not getting visited by the Googlebot.

How could this have happened you maybe wondering. I am too, but I’m pretty sure it’s due to the practices of the former owner of the domain name. I originally had it, but I let it go, and during that period a porn redirector had it. I’m pretty sure Google justifiably banned the site due to that domain owner’s practices.

I’ve signed up for AdSense. Maybe that will help. But I need to wait until I’m approved and that can take a week. If they look at their blacklist, and if Philly Future is on it, it probably won’t make a difference.

This is painful.

Steps taken:

Me and many others have linked to Philly Future for the past year. Many of these sites have great page ranks. The original Philly Future links to the new Philly Future – and it has a Page Rank of 4. Not bad for a site that hasn’t been maintained in a few years.

I have submitted the site to be indexed.

I have submitted my site to DMOZ. Never to get a reply.

I have submitted messages thru their support forms and have gotten automatic responses telling me if I follow their guidelines, everything is automatic, and I will be included in a few weeks. Just sit tight.

I have sent an email to with the subject ‘reinclusion request’ and a summary of my problem. This resulted in an automated response telling me to use their support forms to contact them. See above.

Additionally I regained posting control of the old Philly Future site. I had a meta redirect there for a long, long time, that Google never followed. Upon re-reading their guidelines it seems they don’t follow meta redirects – although I’ve gotten them to in the past. Userland was nice enough to help me thru posting links from there to the new site.

I’ve just asked for a 302 redirect – but if Philly Future is indeed banned – well I’ve lost all connection to the words “Philly Future” and a site being indexed with that name.

I’ve done these things, in small flurries of activity, for around a year now.

There are quality links going to Philly Future. I hope it’s providing a service to our community and the inbound links are possibly an indicator we’re on the right track.

However, even with such a terrific community of writers and readers – we still need Google.

Please, if someone can tell me what we’ve done wrong – or if someone can unblacklist the site – it would be very appreciated.

I used to promote Google as a service to friends and family as the place to go to find things on the web.

But now Yahoo!’s search engine is competitive – and yes Yahoo! sends visitors to Philly Future. A lot of them.

Threads I’m watching:
— latest —
Ask Metafilter

— previously —
Webmaster World

And yes… if it seems I’ve started to flail about – yes I am. The participants of the community need some help.

Note: I am moving this converation and updates here. I’m going to close this thread so that I don’t get overwhelmed checking multiple sites. Thanks everyone 🙂

5 thoughts on “Google is hurting us

  1. I started a thread there where I got the same old advice. And then the thread got axed because I posted ULRs. A no-no there. They killed the thread. I’m planning to start a new one and ask folks to check my profile for the URLs.

  2. I can see part of your problem, already. You said “Me and many others have linked to Philly Future for the past year.” Now I don’t know who the “many others” that you refer to are, but I can see that this domain is sitting on the same IP as That’s a great big no-no. Having many domains on a shared server that are all linking to each other throws up a great big red flag!

    I wouldn’t concentrate on Google, though. I get less than 2% of my traffic from all of the search engines combined. The majority comes from inbound links on external pages (not on the same IP). Google’s robot has visited my site more than 1300 times (>2000 times by Yahoo), this month, and I am listed, but they don’t bring much traffic.

  3. Hi, thanks for that point, luckily I don’t believe I’m in violation of it 🙂

    The “many others” are not ran by me, or hosted on this box. They are folks in the Philadelphia region who link to the site.

    So there are is only one domain, on the same IP, linking to it thank goodness.

    That – hopefully – shouldn’t have raised a red flag.

    I need to concentrate on Google though – not neccessarily as a source of traffic – because almost all my my referrers are from other regional bloggers – but as a source of new users.

  4. Tom, you’re incorrect.

    Hosting Matters probably has 100+ weblogs on each IP and who knows how many link to each other. I have 4 weblogs and sometimes will link an entry from one to another.

    I don’t know where you got the idea that multiple entries on the same IP address linking to each other is a problem, but this would basically play havoc with shared servers–which is what most folk use.

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